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Administrators' newsletter – March 2024[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The mobile site history pages now use the same HTML as the desktop history pages. (T353388)

Miscellaneous

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Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report
Our 2023 Annual Report is now ready for review.

Highlights:

  • Introduction
  • Membership news, obituary and election results
  • Summary of Drives, Blitzes and the Requests page
  • Closing words
– Your Guild coordinators: Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking.
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Administrators' newsletter – April 2024[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).

Administrator changes

removed

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024[edit]

Hello Sirdog,

New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

Reminders:

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Jimmygichuru40 (talk)[edit]

thanks ~~~ Jimmygichuru40 (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking feedback for new page[edit]

Hello Sirdog, thank you for you feedback on the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:C-Net_12.0). My inspiration for creating this page was that there was next to nothing on the internet available about this software that I and many others remember so fondly. Therefore, I was not able to find many references that refer to this topic directly. I did however find a lot of sources that I thought would be sufficient.

As part of my creation process I looked at this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Net_DS2. DS2 is another C-Net version from the same era. However, that Wikipedia page no citations or sources (other than names of people) whatsoever. So looking at my page, where I found several and cited them properly (I thought), I expected to be in much better shape than the page on DS-2.

Do you have any advice for me? Should I remove the sources and only leave the official manual? Keep in mind that this was from 1987 so not a lot of out there in the public space. Which is why I wanted this page.

Thanks for your time and for any advice you could give me. Jimmyzeet (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

eye I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. —Sirdog (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reaching out, Jimmyzeet. Wikipedia's expectations around content can be confusing. I will say that your draft is objectively in a better state than C-Net DS2, if by no other reason than it cites sources. Because Wikipedia is mostly edited by volunteers, it is possible to find examples of pages that are not at all in line with content norms but still don't have interested editors to improve them. A page citing no sources is unacceptable and could be deleted on that basis unless some are found.
While I sympathize with the fact C-Net 12.0 is quite old and thus sourcing may be hard to find, as I have a similar problem with writing about the production of the film Lord of War, ultimately if adequate sourcing cannot be located than the topic is unsuitable for an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not desire to be a place for things to be remembered, for lack of a better term, that have been forgotten (again, lack of a better term). It aims to have encyclopedic articles about topics that have significant coverage by multiple independent and reliable sources, just like print encyclopedias would do.
My advice would be to try and find more sourcing, and it's worth noting that offline sourcing, such as books which may have referred to this software, are valid and may be worthwhile to look for given this topic's age. If you are ultimately unsuccessful, I'd advise choosing a different topic to write about, or perhaps do other things for Wikipedia until you get a better grasp of possible article topics which are likely to survive scrutiny.
In relation to citing "properly", the page I linked to in my AFC comment along with the Visual Editor should make that mostly a breeze. If you have any specific questions after reading Help:Referencing for beginners, feel free to make use of the resources I alluded to in my AFC comment. —Sirdog (talk) 03:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the welcoming comment[edit]

I appreciated it, but as I posted on the NPP discussion page just now, it was not deserved. I have very low technical skills, and stay away from the alphabet soup drama boards. I just write articles that interest me. I never even knew that I was supposed to put articles in a review queue; I just created them, and then was surprised when I got notices of reviews. Had no idea where that was coming from or why.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying that I don’t know a lot about Wiki-processes. I wanted to help, and thought NPP might be it, but that chart just turned me right off. Far too dense and bloated; just made me want to go back to my little corner and work on content.

i am concerned that “bloat” and increasing emphasis on tech tools (eg citation templates) is an entry block for Wikipedia. That chart just confirmed my concern.

Best wishes, Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, I appreciate you reaching out. I completely understand where you are coming from; everyone contributes to the encyclopedia differently. I suppose it was presumptuous of me to make the comment alluded to, as I take for granted my knowledge of things like deletion processes or how to report copyright, as most of what I see from experienced editors in the places I lurk know those things and I did take a course that was dedicated to teaching me those things. I can't say that I agree with all of your feedback at the NPP page, but I can agree that the learning curve from "just started editing" to "experienced editor" is steep and is probably concerning in an age of decreasing attention spans. Happy editing! —Sirdog (talk) 03:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I didn’t want to just be a bomb-thrower, so thought it important to respond to hey-man-I’m-Josh’s question. Those were my top-of-my-head reactions. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing.

Election results: In our December 2023 coordinator election, Zippybonzo stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC).

Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: 23 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 18 claimed at least one copy-edit and between them, they copy-edited 100,293 words in 32 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: 53 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive, 34 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 300 articles totaling 587,828 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 14 to 20 April. Barnstars will be awarded here.

Progress report: As of 23:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 109 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,480 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking.

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Question from Zu-brak (13:16, 14 April 2024)[edit]

Hi --Zu-brak (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Zu-brak. Feel free to stop by again if you have any questions! —Sirdog (talk) 21:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Closer's Barnstar
For your close at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 13: Admin elections! Brilliant, well written close which reflected the consensus of the community. (I am biased in that I supported the proposal, but I would say this even if I did not ). Thank you for taking the time to do the close; it is seen and appreciated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 19:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, HouseBlaster! Your kind words are deeply appreciated. —Sirdog (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 – DreamRimmer (talk) 01:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive[edit]

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Question from ChrissieEWebb (05:26, 18 April 2024)[edit]

Hi, I am trying to create an article on Australian Broadcaster, Marius Webb, the first staff elected member of the ABC and founder of Triple J. I need to add quite a bit to the article but before I do I was hoping you can let me know if I am going in the right direction. Triple J will be celebrating 50 years on Air and Marius will be interviewed quite extensively at that time. I would like to have it up and with various citations in place. --ChrissieEWebb (talk) 05:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, ChrissieEWebb, and sorry for my tardy reply! Help:Your first article is a good place to start in figuring out whether you are going in the right direction. The most important thing is going to be demonstrating that Marius Webb meets our notability policy, which states they must have multiple independent and reliable sources which provide them significant coverage. Editors tend to weigh interviews very low on meeting this bar, as depending on the quality of the interview it tends to simply be the subject speaking about themselves which is not independent. I would be cautious if you are planning to rely on those interviews to help prove Marius deserves an article.
I'd also advise making use of the Articles for Creation process when you ultimately think the article is ready for publishing. This ensures an experienced editors reviews it and eithers publishes it if it's ready or "declines" it (unless rejected you can re-submit as many times as you like if declined) and provides feedback on what went wrong.
The Teahouse is also a good resource for asking questions, aside from myself.
Happy editing! —Sirdog (talk) 05:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Sirdog,
Thanks so very much. A great help. Also I fully understand that Marius wont be interviewed because of the Wiki article, it’s more to see that the facts are in the right place when outside sources seek them. All the best
Christine ChrissieEWebb (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Steven Fernandez1 (15:11, 26 April 2024)[edit]

Hello. Do you have tips for finding references for articles? Also any sources for basic grammar and what not, i could just google but figured i would ask --Steven Fernandez1 (talk) 15:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia, Steven Fernandez1! For basic grammar, the Manual of Style by it's nature includes a lot of instruction on the topic to help editors copy-edit articles. It's a very large manual, encompassing norms that have developed for well over a decade. Most editors that aren't fixated on making articles the highest quality possible tend to just follow the simplified version and then refer to particular pages when they have a specific question. You can also visit the Guild of Copy Editors, a large and active group of editors that dedicate themselves to copy-editing. They maintain other resources on the topic, and I'm sure you can always ask on their talk page if you have a specific question you can't find an answer for.
In terms of finding sources, my go-to is to use Google News, which filters search results to news reporting sites. A good resource to read up on making good searches on search engines is Wikipedia:Search engine test § Using search engines. Once you become an extended-confirmed editor you'll automatically gain access to The Wikipedia Library, which is an amalgamation of high-quality source aggregators that the Wikimedia Foundation pays for and maintains for editors to use when doing article research.
I hope this helps! —Sirdog (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from an anon. user[edit]

Hi. Whoever is operating this account, is this the same user managing this account?102.156.10.192 (talk) 10:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! No, I am not the operator of Nardog. —Sirdog (talk) 11:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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